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Title: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: tycholith on November 08, 2017, 01:49:42 AM
Hello everyone! I am a first time poster here and found this forum just today, and I am glad to find that there are other people who are interested in this long forgotten series.

As the title suggests, I would like to discuss what would you like to see in a hypothetical remake of Turok 3.

Here are a few questions I have for you the subject, along with some of my own opinions:

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The most apparent thing to address would be the plot.  Would you want to have a complete rewrite keeping some of the major points or just fix some of the plot holes that cause confusion and keep it mostly as is?

Would it be preferable to keep the story minimal to gameplay? Or would you prefer the plot be incorporated into the game play?

If plot was going to be more involved in the gameplay, would you prefer all story elements and plot related dialogue in game similar to Half Life? Or would you prefer it to be in cut scenes like Turok Evolution?

Would you want Adon's side story to go more in depth? Perhaps even as a playable character?

What about a post-game Joshua mode that had unique levels?

Here questions regarding gameplay:

Would you want each character's story modes still split from each other or would you like to see both character's stories incorporated into one, but with some segments where you only play as one of them? What about being able to switch between Dani or Joseph at the beginning of a chapter/section or on a whim?

Would you want the characters to have more guns and tools? Would you remove or add any guns or tools to their arsenal?

What other environments or types of levels would you like to see in the game if any?

Would you want the level design to be linear or more open world?

More Dinosaurs?


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- I feel that the main story would have to be mostly rewritten. While the plot in the game does continue the story line of the series, I feel that there are major holes in the plot that leave me with more questions than answers. Chapters 1, 4, and 5 are explained and justified (Adon sends Dani and Joseph to the breach, and The throwback jungle level takes them to Oblivion's hideout) but chapters 2 and 3 aren't really explained, they just show up without any explanation other than "find what 'child is the key' means." Some contextualization to better justify why the team goes to these levels would be nice, since absolutely I love them. I also think that the child is the key arc should be either toned down or scrapped. If it were to be kept, there should be some screentime for Brian (Dani's husband) who is only briefly mentioned.

- Adon as a character and her involvement in the story should be expanded upon, and this can be easily done by having her as a playable character

- Joshua levels are a must. It would make for some sweet bonus content

- I honestly am not too sure if I would like the Dani and Joseph's games mixed into one single story.I can see how it can help streamline gameplay, but I feel that the option between switching characters in game would be a must if it were to happen.

- I would definitely want more weapons to be added to the game. There would of course be more variants of already existing weapons, but I think there should also be different types of some of the lower tier weapons (ie, different types of assault rifles, shotguns and pistols.) The only weapons I would want removed would be the upgrades to the cerebral bore and upgrades to the shotgun. I think it would be better to make these weapons have different types of ammunition for the same gun and the shredder still be its own weapon. I'm not too sure about what tools to add, but I think that the night vision shouldnt be unique to joseph or the grapple to Dani.

- I would like to see more environments in the game, whether they are their own chapters or part of existing ones. I would like to see the city level much more vastly open and a level similar to the hive of the mantids. I believe that a level for Galyanna would fit as well, especially if Adon was going to be more playable

- I would like levels to be more open world but not completely non linear.

- More dinosaurs

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These are just a few ideas I have for a remake, if one were to ever be made. Sorry for such a huge wall of text, I just wanted to get the thread going and get my thoughts out there. I will post more ideas as I think of them. I would love to hear what you think and discuss your ideas.
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Jay Doomed on November 08, 2017, 01:24:17 PM
Well considering a remake is different than a remaster I could go along with your suggestions and input. If it were to be a pc remaster I would like everything to be the same as it is. As a total remake though I would like more of the info and story to click and make more sense.
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: tycholith on November 08, 2017, 01:49:06 PM
That is why I was careful to only use the word remake in the OP.  A remaster would have to obviously be untouched asidss from optimal controls and making it PC compatible. In the OP I didnt specify that the remaster would on PC because I figured that would be a given
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Jay Doomed on November 09, 2017, 11:32:11 AM
And yes, more dinosaurs.

!!
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Warayurt on November 20, 2017, 10:57:05 PM
I think that at first it was not like this.
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Badger on December 22, 2017, 11:13:50 AM
No, no NO!!!!!!!

The story is what it is, we've been through the dinosoid stuff in Turok 2, now it's time for Turok 3, which is unique in it's own right. It's not aliens invading earth, it's about the flesh eaters and oblivion, which was foreshadowed in Turok 2 the whole time. I am TIRED of the "just dinosaurs" shit. Yes they played a big part of the enemies but it was NEVER just about the dinosaurs! Humans, aliens, demons, and other monsters were involved throughout the storylines.

You want to help the story along? Tell the Turok IP holders to stop REBOOTING the goddamn series every time it's shared to somebody! Turok '08 was a cash grab! Jesus fucking christ, if they don't stick to the video game or the valient comics universes, they shouldn't be supported, plain and simple!!!

P.S. People are bad and ungrateful all the time! Sometimes they need to be fought!
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Mon-Ark on December 22, 2017, 01:27:31 PM
Even on the valiant comics series, he killed more humans than dinos.
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Jay Doomed on December 29, 2017, 01:37:35 PM
Right I don't agree with taking out the other types of enemies I mean there a huge part of Turok. Aliens, dinosoids, humans, and even robots. But I must say how could one go wrong adding more types of dinosaurs? There's so many dinos that were simply to large to fit into the old games. But if they could of they would of. There's alot more variety in the comics and even the animated film. Its a lost land where dinos exist. That means there shouldn't only be 3-4 dinosaurs when there is thousands of species. Even some dinosaurs were cut from the original games because no room. Well now we have room.

i'de rather see this in a new Turok game though. Rather then a T3 remake ;)
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Badger on January 02, 2018, 06:20:52 PM
Maybe i spoke a little too harshly on the dinos. Yeah, dinosaurs should be a big part of the enemies. The reason i got defensive was I get flashbacks of being disappointed watching the playthrough of Turok '08, anticipating when the next new creature would come out. It turned me off from looking forward to any new Turok releases for a decade. It was only when this game was released that it mildly piqued my interest again.

And now there's this thread talking about rewriting Turok 3. I'm putting my foot down and saying NO! The franchise has been rewritten over and over, and frankly it is a MESS! Enough is enough, Turok 3 is canon, for better or worse, maybe Turok 4 could alleviate it's story a little.

How many fucking letdowns do we have to go through until all the fans turn away from the series completely?
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Jay Doomed on January 03, 2018, 01:59:33 PM
Oh my bad if it sounded like I'm just going after you that isn't my point just randomly talking here. I mean Turok 3 does not need to be remade it needs to be remastered. But I think this topic is like a fan fiction thing we all know... if there was going to be a new Turok it wont be a remake of Turok 3. As for a new game they need to combine T1+T2 mixture of the gameplay, weapons, and monsters. And then simply add some more variety of dino's on top of it. Maybe more varieties of aliens and cyborgs too ome stegosaurus and mech versions of them.

Not everyone likes Turok 08 but there is Turok fans out there who actually really like the game. I think it was a good game but not a great Turok game to many things I don't like that I could mention about it. But overall its decent fps game for the time of it. But some other folks really like that game a bunch.
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Duke64 on January 04, 2018, 12:16:36 PM
Still hope Turok 3 gets a remaster

:raptoid:
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Mon-Ark on January 04, 2018, 12:46:29 PM
Still hope Turok 3 gets a remaster

:raptoid:

Me too. If it does, I wish they improved it a little bit, at least make it so when you blow an enemy's limb it doesnt vanish from thin air in such cheap manner (more like in T2 would be welcomed)
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Duke64 on January 05, 2018, 10:05:51 PM
Me too. If it does, I wish they improved it a little bit, at least make it so when you blow an enemy's limb it doesnt vanish from thin air in such cheap manner (more like in T2 would be welcomed)

Oh yeah Id'e be welcoming to that also because the limbs seriously took a step back compared to T2. But knowing Kaiser some he tries to stick with vanilla and original stuff as much as possible at least. That could possibly end up being a mod thing but I just hope that it will happen these two Turok 3 and Rage Wars need a pc comeback.
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Mon-Ark on January 05, 2018, 11:40:17 PM
At least I would like that to be an optional setting, like the new effects in T1.
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Duke64 on January 06, 2018, 12:01:46 AM
At least I would like that to be an optional setting, like the new effects in T1.

Yeah that would be an amazing option to add more gore options. Or they could call it Turok 2 gore options xD
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Manhs on January 09, 2018, 02:48:58 AM
Still a good game, i could buy it for sure! It could be fun to play this one with good render/framerate and with keyboard/mouse (deactivate the autoaim then, the fun!  :D
Since it wasn't popular as T1 and T2, i'm not sure if Night Dive Studios will do it, more because money issue It could have to sell it but who know what could happen.
hu, i didn't imagine Turok 2 was more sold than Turok 2 (not sure if it's official but anyway): http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Turok
I just hope night dive studios won't forget Turok.... it seems they spend a lot of times on the System Shock remake....  :oblivion:
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Jay Doomed on January 09, 2018, 01:59:35 PM
Still a good game, i could buy it for sure! It could be fun to play this one with good render/framerate and with keyboard/mouse (deactivate the autoaim then, the fun!  :D
Since it wasn't popular as T1 and T2, i'm not sure if Night Dive Studios will do it, more because money issue It could have to sell it but who know what could happen.
hu, i didn't imagine Turok 2 was more sold than Turok 2 (not sure if it's official but anyway): http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=Turok
I just hope night dive studios won't forget Turok.... it seems they spend a lot of times on the System Shock remake....  :oblivion:

T2 probably sold more than T1 mostly due to it having a big SP and a MP while T1 only had SP. Mp became a huge hit with Goldeneye and Quake so Turok 2 getting it probably increased sells right away :)

Yeah they seem very focused on System Shock, can't really blame them though when the game is getting much more of turnout than Turok(probably because its a new entry rather than just a remaster). But the way I see it is, NDS needs System Shock to be a success if they want to try and do an all new Turok game...System Shock needs to do well.

The thing about Turok 3 and Rage Wars is they were never on PC and only N64 that right there is a big interest. I'm sure some could argue how Turok 3 and Rage Wars deserve a remaster more than Turok 1 and 2 did just because those two games are already on pc and with 3dfx, nglide, and or voodoo they can already run at high resolutions and 60 fps on the classic pc versions. T3 and RW on the other hand you can't do that its either emulator which isn't very good for Turok games or plug up the old N64.
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Manhs on January 09, 2018, 05:24:02 PM
Yeah a friend told me Turok 3 on emulator didnt work well, so that's why i bought a n64 with the game, it could be nice to have a remastered for it, sure :) (always better to have a pc port of a N64 game, not only for Turok hehe, N64 had great games who could be so good on a remaster on pc, for the framerate and render specially, anyway...) 
For System Shock, if it's a success, maybe they could use this engine for a new Turok game  :P
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Mon-Ark on January 09, 2018, 10:37:37 PM
Its works fine on emulator as far as I know. While good mouse controls cant be achieved, you cant tweak the controls in conjunction with the emulator controller settings and be able to play the game with modern FPS controller setup. Autoaim or not? doesnt really matter much, infact its worth doing two playtroughs experiencing the game with/without the autoaim feature (spoilers: its how the autoaim should had always been in Turok2)
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Rok on January 10, 2018, 01:46:15 AM
It does works on the emulators but better to play it on the n64 always for mee. But if we could have it Turok 3 ex remaster with keyboard and 60 fps would be amazing on Turok 3. I think it could sell pretty good. It being nintendo 64 only is a good selling point to start with. Even some game historians will have interest maybe.
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Manhs on January 10, 2018, 01:59:33 AM
Its works fine on emulator as far as I know. While good mouse controls cant be achieved, you cant tweak the controls in conjunction with the emulator controller settings and be able to play the game with modern FPS controller setup. Autoaim or not? doesnt really matter much, infact its worth doing two playtroughs experiencing the game with/without the autoaim feature (spoilers: its how the autoaim should had always been in Turok2)

Interesting and yeah, some gameplay options are always cool to test some new experience in the game (like no-autoaim and others)
Title: Re: If Turok 3 was to be Remade
Post by: Reienkyo Mac Perpis on January 19, 2018, 03:55:39 AM
I hope Turok 3 have a remaster, Shadow of Oblivion bring a better narrative to the saga,and cool weapons and enemies (no more endtrails its not good for me but i have all the fireborns i need).
The story dont need a rewrite i think, its not the better one but it was a next step in the saga when the games comes out.
Something tells to me dive night studios has no plans to make it happen. :(