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Title: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Ravenfreak on October 19, 2015, 12:49:24 AM
So it seems that most fans don't really care for this title as much as the other ones... I for one, think Shadow of Oblivion is the best Turok game. See I love how you have a choice between two different characters, and each character has their own set of weapons plus they take different paths. I also love the soundtrack the most. Plus I really love the story line too, and seeing how the Flesh Eaters are my favorite characters from the Turok series, this game is epic since it's based around them. xD I just wish it got a PC port... :\ I would have loved to play in some deathmatches with people online, and the game would have run a bit smoother on the PC as well. I can't be the only one who loves Turok 3 here right? :P
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Adon on October 19, 2015, 01:16:24 PM
You are surely not the only fan of Turok 3. There just hasn't been much to talk about with it lately. I love the weapons and how each character has different paths also. Its a good game that should of been ported to PC, I personally don't understand why they strayed away from the pc ports on there later games...
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Duke64 on October 19, 2015, 07:37:38 PM
I just wish it got a PC port... :\ I would have loved to play in some deathmatches with people online, and the game would have run a bit smoother on the PC as well. I can't be the only one who loves Turok 3 here right? :P
Wish that it got a PC port as well. 100% agree on it having better controls if it were on PC but I am fine with the 64 version but a PC port would of opened more options for fans and mp possibilities. Turok 3 is a good game all the weapons and and scenes are crazy and big. Also, the fog limits were better then the limits in Turok 1 and Turok 2.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Rok on October 20, 2015, 01:02:16 PM
I like every Turok game tbh. Also, would like to point out that T3 had one of the best bosses I've ever seen in all games.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Jay Doomed on October 21, 2015, 03:07:07 PM
Welcome :) and no your not the only one who likes Turok 3 its like Adon said not many conversations brought up about it to discuss it. I 100% agree with Rok also Oblivion is one of the most bad ass bosses there is around period not just n Turok games.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Komenja on October 21, 2015, 07:16:26 PM
Turok 3 is certainly a good game on it's own merits. I feel it's mostly overlooked for two reasons: One,  It came out near the end of the N64's lifespan, when most people's attention were on the upcoming consoles. Two, it's the single furthest departure from Turok's roots. Turok is about a native american fighting dinosaurs, pretty much every adaptation of the story/character since the 1950's heavily focused on this... except for Shadow of Oblivion (well, and the short-lived Dark Horse comics). It's like Halo without aliens, or DOOM without demons. I'm not saying this in itself is a negative thing, but it can be a turn off for some people. I remember my dad renting the game from Blockbuster right when it came out, and quitting after an hour of fighting zombies and dogs (hey, that just meant I got to play it instead!).

Anyways, yeah, the Flesh Eaters are metal as fuck. The segments where you fought them in Turok 2 were some of my favorite parts of that game, it was really neat to see them develop into the primary threat. Having the choice of two protagonists with different weapons/abilities is always a nice choice, even if I pretty much only choose Danielle. I'd say more shooters should take a stab at that, but a good deal of them have a hard enough time creating one interesting/entertaining protagonist!
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Cyriu on November 19, 2015, 02:14:28 AM
Turok 3 is certainly a game I hold very dear despite showing signs of being rushed and being so far off the Turok roots. It improved in some regards from T2, but I enjoyed the level design and overall more streamlined gameplay and faster pacing. The concept of two characters each having their own route, special item, and weapons upgrades is one I really like as well. And the weapon selection, while not he best of the series still had high points. I mean Cerebral Processor, PSG, Fireswarm, Shredder, and Vampire Gun; good stuff.

The enemy design is very interesting as well, most enemies feel like cryptic creatures or Lovecraftian monstrosities. I also liked some of the returning enemies more than their T2 counterparts, particularly the raptors which are more faster and agile, and the Fireborn Magmites which actually throw and bleed fire.

I only wish that this game was also getting a HD remaster as well.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Rok on November 21, 2015, 02:21:48 PM
A remaster probably could help this game a ton! I mean putting it on pc would make it 10 times better alone :)
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Cyriu on December 02, 2015, 11:26:48 PM
A remaster probably could help this game a ton! I mean putting it on pc would make it 10 times better alone :)

Definitely. It's such a shame that this game didn't get a PC port because I am pretty sure that if it wasn't for that, we would surely have a Turok 3 HD Remaster alongside T1 and T2. I enjoy playing it on my N64, but the lag can sometimes spoil the fun a little bit. I can only assume that taking the data inside a N64 rom would involve some copyright issue so we would probably have to settle with no HD remaster, unless a fan does it for free. Or maybe someone pulls off a DOOM 64 EX for Turok 3...
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Adon on December 03, 2015, 01:17:27 PM
Or maybe someone pulls off a DOOM 64 EX for Turok 3...

Kaiser is the guy who can do it maybe if we have enough support and demand for Turok 3 they would do that to? I for one would 100% support it if T3 came out. Also, Rage wars and Evolution! Full Turok revival :D I wish
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Jay Doomed on December 04, 2015, 02:42:03 PM
It would surely excite me if Turok 3 would get a port maybe if Turok 1 and 2 do great it could become a consideration? Then it could continue to the next we got to support these games ladies and gents so buy 10 copies each of Turok when it comes out :)
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Mon-Ark on December 20, 2015, 08:50:10 PM
If anything, i dont like Turok 2 too much in general. Worst turok next to turok 2008.

Some years ago i would had tought this was terribly wrong, but the more i played all 3 n64 games, the more T2 falls behind the other 2 games, besides graphics and creativity.


T3 actually had some cool things to it, like no look-spring in any form.

All the weapons were powerfull, minus the vampire gun. I really loved that i always had something to rely on, even if it was the melee weapons which was powerful enough.

The option to turn auto-aim on/off is what i would had wanted in t2. its a switch between the option to be able to shoot any limb at will, or only get torso shots for moderate damage (kinda).

Other than that the graphics were lazy (not bad, lazy. as in, sitcking a box with a lighting .gif on a shotgun and calling it the Shredder) and the stage were almost completely linear, yet hard. It was definitely much more easier to replay than t2 even with its setbacks.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: MaxMan on December 21, 2015, 11:33:52 AM
It would be so cool if they did Turok 3 after Turok 2 because Turok 3 was a good game it just got overshadowed because they released it so late and the N64 was becoming old. So most gamers had moved on and this game didn't get all the players it should have got. It actually has some interesting stuff in this game. And if I remember correctly you have to collect pieces for the gun again like in Turok 1. Well maybe if 1 and 2 do good for them they can consider T3 :) I would like to play this with smooth mouse controls it would be awesome!
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Mon-Ark on December 21, 2015, 11:42:56 AM
Well in my case I never got T3 because T2 drove me away alittle from the series with its slower pace, not to mention I sucked at FPS as a kid.

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And if I remember correctly you have to collect pieces for the gun again like in Turok 1

Yeah, The PSG. After the fiasco that was The Nuke in T2, this one was awesome.

I definitely agree, it would be awesome if T3 (and rage wars) got a remaster too.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Duke64 on December 21, 2015, 10:29:58 PM
All they would have to do is make the controls better, increase performance, and maybe include adjustable fov and bang the game could be better. Since Turok 3 and Rage Wars are only console it may be more work just to get them. Those two games may be more compatible to another because of that though. I would like to see Turok 3 also.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Mon-Ark on December 22, 2015, 09:17:28 AM
Well, on an emulator you can make T3 and rage wars play as a modern fps after configuring controls a little.

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Since Turok 3 and Rage Wars are only console it may be more work just to get them.

So far the only way known for extracting 3d models from n64 games is trough a plugin (nemmy's plugin). not that hard at all, but the extracted model needs some tweaking so it looks like in the game.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Duke64 on December 27, 2015, 02:40:35 AM
Well, on an emulator you can make T3 and rage wars play as a modern fps after configuring controls a little.

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Since Turok 3 and Rage Wars are only console it may be more work just to get them.

So far the only way known for extracting 3d models from n64 games is trough a plugin (nemmy's plugin). not that hard at all, but the extracted model needs some tweaking so it looks like in the game.
Maybe it mostly just depends on demand now huh? Also, how well T1 and T2 do could be the life line to more I suppose.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Rok on January 02, 2016, 03:46:51 PM
T1 and T2 are the best but they should do a package game for T3 and Rage Wars. Make it a double pack for fans :)
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Mon-Ark on January 02, 2016, 05:53:41 PM
Problem is that the game is only available on the n64. As far as i know you can rip 3D models, textures and probaly sounds&music too. However I do not know of any way to import animations.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Drahsid on March 07, 2017, 12:19:00 PM
Hope for remaster on PC.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Turok Fireseed on March 07, 2017, 02:26:57 PM
I would love to see Turok 3 Remastered, but i think it'll be more difficult due to a few reasons.

1. Since most likely it would be rebuilt from the ground up, it would probably take as long if not longer than Turok 2.

2. Porting it from N64 to PC would be a bit tougher than porting DOOM 64.

3. For the most part, the game was rushed, so there would probably be issues with the source code when rebuilding the game, and since the multiplayer was local only, adding an online component would take longer to create.

So in general, i would love to see the game be ported or remastered on PC, but i do feel it'll take a long time before we'll be able to play it, that's if it'll happen.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Jay Doomed on March 08, 2017, 02:06:15 PM
Yeah if Turok 3 comes out do we really need the mp? Idk if many would actually play the mp. Turok 3 should just be SP and let Turok 2 and Rage Wars do the mp talking!! But it would be cool to see the mp also I just don't know if it would actually be worth the pain. I mean die hard Turok fans would appreciate it very much! But I just don't see it getting much general play on the mp.

As for the sp game it shouldn't be that hard though, they could use Turok 2's kex engine and poke at it to match Turok 3. Its a matter of exporting everything from N64 and making everything align up in code on kex. Still a complicated task but Kaiser could do it. 

Another thing I would like to point out that might be hard to do for T3: The fact that you have to deal with two separate characters, weapons, and campaigns :O That might be something really tough that could result in tangling scripts and wacky stuff. I can just picture bugs showing up everywhere on both stories xD
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Turok Fireseed on July 12, 2017, 02:49:31 PM
Upon taking the time to go into the game again, i also remembered a few other things.

1. There are a lot of cut features from the game, so if Night Dives wants to add those back in, it'll take time to put those back in place, especially as stated previously, there's 2 sides to the same campaign, so adding weapons and such back into the game, it's a bit of a challenge to see what'll fit.

2. As stated, the multiplayer will need a netcode to be online (most likely using steam's naitive multiplayer servers or GoG Galaxy), and some of the arenas don't appear to look like they'll handle more than four players (Shipping and Receiving i'm looking at you), so having upwards of 8-16 players could be difficult unless there's an overhaul to some of the levels.

3. The single player campaign would also require some redesigns for new features (may not be a surprise considering the changes with Turoks 1 and 2) and visuals. The weapons could also use a few more touch ups, but what i would like to see is Joshua's playable form to have his own dialogue (as he mostly uses Danielle's dialogue, though i believe he uses some of Joseph's lines as well), but i know for that to happen, the original voice actor for Joshua would have to come back, and i'm not sure if he's still around, or at least willing to revoice him if given the option.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Jay Doomed on July 12, 2017, 03:57:26 PM
Upon taking the time to go into the game again, i also remembered a few other things.

1. There are a lot of cut features from the game, so if Night Dives wants to add those back in, it'll take time to put those back in place, especially as stated previously, there's 2 sides to the same campaign, so adding weapons and such back into the game, it's a bit of a challenge to see what'll fit.

2. As stated, the multiplayer will need a netcode to be online (most likely using steam's naitive multiplayer servers or GoG Galaxy), and some of the arenas don't appear to look like they'll handle more than four players (Shipping and Receiving i'm looking at you), so having upwards of 8-16 players could be difficult unless there's an overhaul to some of the levels.

3. The single player campaign would also require some redesigns for new features (may not be a surprise considering the changes with Turoks 1 and 2) and visuals. The weapons could also use a few more touch ups, but what i would like to see is Joshua's playable form to have his own dialogue (as he mostly uses Danielle's dialogue, though i believe he uses some of Joseph's lines as well), but i know for that to happen, the original voice actor for Joshua would have to come back, and i'm not sure if he's still around, or at least willing to revoice him if given the option.

The original voice actor is still around! Duke64 spoke to him not to long ago ;) But would he be up to do more Turok voice acting is the real question. That was years ago now so idk if he still would want to do more Turok :) Sounds good. Man Turok 3 would be nice to get.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Turok Fireseed on July 14, 2017, 01:46:36 AM
Upon taking the time to go into the game again, i also remembered a few other things.

1. There are a lot of cut features from the game, so if Night Dives wants to add those back in, it'll take time to put those back in place, especially as stated previously, there's 2 sides to the same campaign, so adding weapons and such back into the game, it's a bit of a challenge to see what'll fit.

2. As stated, the multiplayer will need a netcode to be online (most likely using steam's naitive multiplayer servers or GoG Galaxy), and some of the arenas don't appear to look like they'll handle more than four players (Shipping and Receiving i'm looking at you), so having upwards of 8-16 players could be difficult unless there's an overhaul to some of the levels.

3. The single player campaign would also require some redesigns for new features (may not be a surprise considering the changes with Turoks 1 and 2) and visuals. The weapons could also use a few more touch ups, but what i would like to see is Joshua's playable form to have his own dialogue (as he mostly uses Danielle's dialogue, though i believe he uses some of Joseph's lines as well), but i know for that to happen, the original voice actor for Joshua would have to come back, and i'm not sure if he's still around, or at least willing to revoice him if given the option.

The original voice actor is still around! Duke64 spoke to him not to long ago ;) But would he be up to do more Turok voice acting is the real question. That was years ago now so idk if he still would want to do more Turok :) Sounds good. Man Turok 3 would be nice to get.

i still hope to see him play Joshua again. Joshua was my favorite among the playable characters, but the only thing i didn't really like was that Joshua had Danielle's lines, which to me was a bit odd. I also found that in chapter 1, you find he doesn't even have his own model, just has Danielle in front, Joseph in back, which is both hilarious, and jarring. So i'm hoping that if the guy comes back for Turok 3 Remastered, is to have lines recorded for Joshua ingame as well as cutscenes, and have Joshua's playable form have his own model.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Duke64 on July 14, 2017, 08:23:34 PM
When I spoke with him it had nothing to do with voicing for doing voices on a game or anything. I just wanted to tell him he was awesome and say I AM TUROK xD Had a small conversation didn't want to bother him he makes music now.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Mon-Ark on July 18, 2017, 04:30:23 PM
My two cents.

The game should have multiplayer; if talking about dedicated servers, they can share T2 servers I think.
Some say this would divide the community but then again, what community? you play to have fun, and if you have more fun playing T3 mp you play that. I dont care since the main point of the Turok games is the singleplayer experience. Except for rage wars obviously...

My main interests to see if T3 ever gets a remaster are related to visuals and gameplay. Mostly additions like blood particles from enemies' severed limbs, a better vanish effect for dead bodies, more health for enemies and more of them on higher difficulties.
The removed content Im all in for it.

I would also say an option to toggle weapon models for their better-looking versions but im not sure if theres enough to justify such option (Its mostly all about the shotgun "upgrades")
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Duke64 on July 25, 2017, 01:43:16 AM
I would love to play Turok 3 on PC my only suggestion would be to make the editor available like it is in T2. As I'm sure that other stuff like make the game at 60 fps etc etc would be taken care of. Would be great to play that one since it was never on PC. And I definitely do not want to play on a freaking emulator lol I'll pass. I would rather play it on my N64 100% over that. The game would be good for pc same with RW.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Rok on July 25, 2017, 01:49:37 AM
I would love to play Turok 3 on PC my only suggestion would be to make the editor available like it is in T2. As I'm sure that other stuff like make the game at 60 fps etc etc would be taken care of. Would be great to play that one since it was never on PC. And I definitely do not want to play on a freaking emulator lol I'll pass. I would rather play it on my N64 100% over that. The game would be good for pc same with RW.
Dont you think it would be very special since it was never on pc! My only suggestion if it were to be a thing...would be to continue putting Turok games on gog. Because I really want to own Turok and not some drm steam version.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Duke64 on July 25, 2017, 05:49:23 PM
Turok 3 ex would be monumental imo.

Lots of people only played the start- well you have to play that game in full to see. The starting level doesn't do a great job of an introduction to me. Not use to Turok in the city but it was still cool. The levels change up more down the way without seeing all settings of a Turok game you miss alot more than a usual game goes for all Turok games though. There's a small level list they are very important all to get a feel different atmospheres etc etc. The game was good but they did lose some of that raw Turok feeling at the same time. But I think it could even be more appreciated now more than before. The first two were already very very appreciated and loved on N64 and PC.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: ひまわりくん on July 25, 2017, 09:15:20 PM
If and when they port T3 to PC, I would love to see as much BETA content as possible.







There's more stuff hidden behind the May 2000 BETA which is most likely only accessible through reverse engineering.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Jay Doomed on August 02, 2017, 03:15:58 PM
If and when they port T3 to PC, I would love to see as much BETA content as possible.







There's more stuff hidden behind the May 2000 BETA which is most likely only accessible through reverse engineering.

I had no idea there was that much thanks for sharing all that :) And I agree that would be awesome too.
Title: Re: Why Turok 3: Shadow of Oblivion is my favorite Turok game
Post by: Deathsphere on October 26, 2017, 11:48:25 AM
It would be nice to see some hidden stuff. But I just really hope they will consider doing T3. Still hoping they get rage Wars also I guess no news yet though